The law of the land is far too murky on this, but common sense should dictate: If it refuses to clearly identify itself as law enforcement, it is not law enforcement.
How do we know this is an actual agent and not just a J6er who put agency letters on a vest they bought on Amazon? Especially when none of their vests match? Who tries to hide their identity while attempting to break into an elementary school? There's a registry of such people.
"If it refuses to clearly identify itself as law enforcement, it is not law enforcement."
Bingo
How the fuck am i supposed to know that you're not some rando psycho cosplaying as an ICE agent? if I can't know who you are then YOU AREN'T LEGITIMATE
Trump has come up with his best distraction yet. Shooting rubber bullets at car burning young Hispanics in the streets of LA. Who's gonna pay attention to the Big Ugly Bill while this is going on?
And that shit costs a ton of money. While they are busy bullshitting everyone about waste fraud and abuse there is no limit to what they will spend on the threat of violence.
Edit (from AP): "JUST IN: Pentagon says deploying Marines and National Guard to protests in Los Angeles will cost $134 million"
Of course, that is a lie like everything else, and it is without doubt much more than that.
Hey Hamilton, love the work you do. Do you happen to know of any good bail funds for immigrants and protesters that folks can contribute to? I'd love to steer some well-meaning people in my life in that direction.
Do you support people destroying private and public property and throwing projectiles off of overpasses. Or is violence only acceptable when it is perpetrated by the side you support?
Tell me about your support for people who burn children in their cribs. The valiant freedom fighters who use their own people as human shields! Fucking cowards.
The Marines are guarding buildings not interacting with rioters, the cops are. Maybe you would the crowd to show up at your house and subject to a purity session a la the Red Guards from the Cultural Revolution?
The ol' classic violent highway shutdown. Very violent. I stand corrected. Pointing out both sides use of violence and then hoping someone's house burns down reveals a lot about your faith. Keep on trolling!
Little Craig is a Nazi. I'm guessing he has a big combat vest and goofy ass helmet and a really big gun in his closet to compensate for something else he has that is really teeny weenie and hard to even see.
Is that the best you can come back with. If you are against violence from the cops you should be against violence from all sides. Sounds to me like you are a leftie. If you know anything about history between Stalin and Mao they killed 100 million people, so I don’t think you would last very long in your dream civilization, you would be facing the wall pretty fast Mark. And by the way, I hate Nazi’s too.
Then condemn the Nazi behavior we see with ICE and Border Patrol Gestapo goons zip tying kids, hauling parents away leaving kids behind while sending other kids -- some even born here and in a few cases being treated for cancer -- to countries they have never been to. Somewhere around 95% of those sent off to the torture concentration camp in El Salavador are innocent. When the Nazis set up their first concentration camps they weren't in Germany.
Are you telling me that if members of your family were brutalized, hauled away and deported you wouldn't possibly respond with violence? Violence begets violence and the spark to LA was caused by the violent, law-breaking federal Gestapo agents.
Then there is the whole issue of how American corporations and the CIA and US military have destroyed governments and economies throughout Central and South America causing millions to have to migrate to survive. WE have created the migration crisis to the benefit of corporate profiteering.
Want to deal with the real violent threat we face? Don't look at the lawn workers or roofer. Look to Wall Street and the bought off, corrupt Congress, White House and both vile political parties.
Oh now you want to have a decent conversation. I do condemn ICE. I think that you are only half right. Innocent migrants who are toiling away should be left alone. But what about MS 13 and other gangs, why are you guys backing keeping those people, do you have no sense at all? Does MS stand for misunderstood?
The failure of migration should be laid at the United Nations who have allowed corrupt governments to drive their people away. The UN is an abject failure. Trump is a loser I agree, but it doesn’t excuse thugs from burning down the cities. What kind of country do you want to live in?
Doug it doesn’t sound like you have any knowledge of history or any of the other fanboys of Hamilton. You probably see Nazis lurking everywhere, under your bed. By the way, why does everyone here feel the need to protect poor Hamilton? I addressed my question to him and all of you in his cult felt the need to protect him. Didn’t you feel that he could answer for himself. Actually I quite like a lot of what he writes, but the way all of you fanboys roll is that you jump on anyone with the slightest questioning and label them nazis. You have forgotten how to dialogue and move right into Ad Homonyms. By the way, how many books have you read on WW2, My bet is not many. You should really check yourself when you go to attack people because your motives are clear, anyone who doesn’t fit your narrative is the enemy. Remember there are people much more sophisticated than you who are using you guys as useful idiots. You will be the first to be sacrificed if this all turns bad. Look back to Lenin’s early days.
It is really funny how you guys call the people that attacked the capital insurrectionists, but back Antifa when they burn cities down. Violence for your side okay, violence on the other side not so much? You get what you deserve!
Sam, I originally asked a question of Hamilton. In fact there is quite a lot I agree with in his article. I just don’t agree with everything he says in his
echo chamber. And then because I asked a question of him, which is verboten, you guys pull out all the
Nazi names etc etc. So when you dish it out, you should expect it back. I hate Nazis too, but I also had the extreme left because both pathways lead to destruction. I have read extensively about both systems. Most people on this thread just hurl insults so I have to conclude that they are of the hive mind and King Bee is Hamilton. As an outsider I think your country is in deep shit and I am afraid the left, the far left’s days are numbered if they keep pushing. I am not for this happening, but the pendulum has swung and it looks like disaster is coming.
And you are bound for a bullet after a struggle session by one of your leftist buddies. And with any luck they will mail the invoice to your parents as they do in China. This is what is coming in your paradise!
Craig, you don't have to be a coward. You can choose a better life, one where you're not wallowing in flimsy justifications for anti-social behavior and self-isolating propaganda narratives about struggle sessions.
No we do not support violence or vandalism but much more importantly are appalled at using the military against civilians exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Large crowds always beget some level of friction and confrontation only makes it worse. The city of Los Angeles has plenty of law enforcement as does the state. They did NOT request federal intervention which by the way is supposed to come from the governor by law. What ICE has become and is doing is far, far worse than some isolated acts of vandalism. But of course right wing zealots always want to fall back on the law and order excuse for imposing their will. Trump’s actions don’t pass the bullshit test - street demonstrations in LA are a national emergency but the January 6th attack on the Capitol was a peaceful gathering. WTF are we becoming as a nation.
And like I said to Dougie. The Mayor of Portland felt the same way about the police and the national guard until rioters showed up at his residence and then he was crying for help from the cops.
So you are saying by your logic that if you reduced the police force by 400 guys, the rioters would go away? I am all for peaceful demonstration. But when you start burning shit you cross the line. How would you deal with the situation?
No I am not okay with violence at all. But the best you guys can come up with is you think I am a Nazi. The term has been bandied about so much it has no meaning anymore. And this is a disgrace to all of the people who died in the Holocaust. But you guys are not even educated enough to realize this. You guys are against violence when it suits you and for violence when it does. Hamilton made this plain and he is wrong!
No I am not, just for people who resort to the old Nazi moniker who have no idea what a real Nazi is. And by the way Paul my original question was to Hamilton. It seems he cannot speak for himself on his own thread he needs his minions like you to defend him, pretty cowardly I say. Are you the oberfuher or the underfuher?
not Hamilton but I'd look and see what SEIU is recommending maybe? or look at who's doing work local to you if you're in the US. eg where I live there's a dedicated immigrant rights organization that does both of those things.
The tougher and more puffed up a guy makes himself, the smaller you know he feels inside his empty husk. There's a reason the ICE, FBI and Border Patrol Gestapo goons are masked ... if their neighbors saw video on the evening news of them smacking a young girl down on the sidewalk, it would be a tad embarrassing: "Damn, didn't know my neighbor, Bill, was such a scairdy cat dipshit!"
Imagine what their spouse or kids might think.
The BBC had a powerful story back in 2017 on how a family was impacted by the father being a Nazi war criminal: "HEY, ICE AGENTS: Nazi's Son Speaks Out On His Father's Legacy: 'I despise him.'" ... https://mark192.substack.com/p/hey-ice-agents-nazis-son-speaks-out
In this time of fascistic abuse and betrayal, we all need to consider our legacy. The question for all of us is: Where were you in this time of government abuse and betrayal.
The Gestapo ICE goons in Los Angeles have clearly failed.
The question for every citizen at this time is how will we and our families look back upon our actions in the years to come.
"Go fuck yourself man. Because nobody cool is ever going to fuck you. That, I guarantee." Hot damn, I've been hoping someone would write this article! I picture Shrek arriving at Duloc and seeing Farquaad's ridiculous castle and laughing as he says to Donkey, "Do you think maybe he's compensating for something?"
Well, you just clearly described all the people who support the orange jesus! It's sad they'll never get it until it shows up on their door step! Well written and I couldn't agree more with you assessment! FUCK OFF COWARDS!
Agree and disagree to some extent. Self-selection matters. I think the overriding operating assumption needs to be that they like the orders they've been given. They are KKKristofascists who self-selected for the job and this is their every KKKristofascist fantasy coming true. They are welcome to prove that wrong on an individual basis through action, but ask yourselves this:
For all the videos of abusive, violent, fascist behavior we're seeing, where are the videos of even ONE LEO stopping the other LEO from committing the heinous acts? Nowhere to be found.
They've made their choice, likely before they even joined. It's not fear of losing a job or fear of peer scorn or fear of humiliation, etc., that keeps them from acting to stop the fascism. And none of those things will be what triggers them to finally try to.
Oh. fucking. yes. this has SO badly needed to be said, have some GD dignity, find something in yourself to be proud of & stop trying to destroy others to make yourself feel better about your own lack of worth.
The law of the land is far too murky on this, but common sense should dictate: If it refuses to clearly identify itself as law enforcement, it is not law enforcement.
How do we know this is an actual agent and not just a J6er who put agency letters on a vest they bought on Amazon? Especially when none of their vests match? Who tries to hide their identity while attempting to break into an elementary school? There's a registry of such people.
"If it refuses to clearly identify itself as law enforcement, it is not law enforcement."
Bingo
How the fuck am i supposed to know that you're not some rando psycho cosplaying as an ICE agent? if I can't know who you are then YOU AREN'T LEGITIMATE
Hell fucking yes, a thousand times over!
Trump has come up with his best distraction yet. Shooting rubber bullets at car burning young Hispanics in the streets of LA. Who's gonna pay attention to the Big Ugly Bill while this is going on?
https://kathleenweber.substack.com/p/trumps-strategy-flood-the-zone-with
And that shit costs a ton of money. While they are busy bullshitting everyone about waste fraud and abuse there is no limit to what they will spend on the threat of violence.
Edit (from AP): "JUST IN: Pentagon says deploying Marines and National Guard to protests in Los Angeles will cost $134 million"
Of course, that is a lie like everything else, and it is without doubt much more than that.
Wait til the bill comes for Trump birthday parade. It will take millions to replace the torn up streets.
Abrams tanks, like many others, have rubber track pads for this reason.
Rubber treads? My, how thoughtful, neighborly and environmentally sensitive of the US War (never call it 'Defense') Department!!!
Here's what you'll be paying for, Velocitaver: "Army says Trump's military parade could cause $16 million in damage to Washington streets" ... The repair costs are part of the estimated $45 million price tag for the upcoming parade. ... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/army-estimates-trump-military-parade-cost-16-million-damage-streets-dc-rcna210131
Never underestimate the creative ways Trump Dump can come up with to screw us over. It's the only thing creative about him.
I won't be paying a dime, chum...not my circus, not my monkeys 🤷♂️
Your police state 'Gong Show' isn't my jam.
Hamilton, when you're good - you are really really good!!! Loved this one - reading it aloud to whoever will listen.
This is the only acceptable energy in these times.
Hey Hamilton, love the work you do. Do you happen to know of any good bail funds for immigrants and protesters that folks can contribute to? I'd love to steer some well-meaning people in my life in that direction.
A few here: https://bsky.app/profile/chadloder.bsky.social/post/3lr27irz73c2o
Do you support people destroying private and public property and throwing projectiles off of overpasses. Or is violence only acceptable when it is perpetrated by the side you support?
go fuck yourself, Craig.
Fuck you and your Hamas rapist brothers!
tell us more about your racism, Craig
Tell me about your support for people who burn children in their cribs. The valiant freedom fighters who use their own people as human shields! Fucking cowards.
Same to you buddy, I hope the crowd burns down your house!
I love how you don’t realize how obvious you have made it that Nolan’s essay triggered you. It pulled your tiny, tiny trigger.
Nolan supports violence if it fits the narrative.
wait, so now you're pro-violence??
🤣
Just for you because you’re in love with violence and you should get what you deserve!
The LAPD released a bulletin thanking the protesters for being peaceful. Your question is false and ridiculous.
Why did they close the highway?
Also, this is a great reason to send in marines. The LAPD have never handled a freeway closure before.
The Marines are guarding buildings not interacting with rioters, the cops are. Maybe you would the crowd to show up at your house and subject to a purity session a la the Red Guards from the Cultural Revolution?
The ol' classic violent highway shutdown. Very violent. I stand corrected. Pointing out both sides use of violence and then hoping someone's house burns down reveals a lot about your faith. Keep on trolling!
Because people (your Antifa friends) were dropping bricks and rocks from overpasses. You wanker.
Little Craig is a Nazi. I'm guessing he has a big combat vest and goofy ass helmet and a really big gun in his closet to compensate for something else he has that is really teeny weenie and hard to even see.
Is that the best you can come back with. If you are against violence from the cops you should be against violence from all sides. Sounds to me like you are a leftie. If you know anything about history between Stalin and Mao they killed 100 million people, so I don’t think you would last very long in your dream civilization, you would be facing the wall pretty fast Mark. And by the way, I hate Nazi’s too.
Then condemn the Nazi behavior we see with ICE and Border Patrol Gestapo goons zip tying kids, hauling parents away leaving kids behind while sending other kids -- some even born here and in a few cases being treated for cancer -- to countries they have never been to. Somewhere around 95% of those sent off to the torture concentration camp in El Salavador are innocent. When the Nazis set up their first concentration camps they weren't in Germany.
Are you telling me that if members of your family were brutalized, hauled away and deported you wouldn't possibly respond with violence? Violence begets violence and the spark to LA was caused by the violent, law-breaking federal Gestapo agents.
Then there is the whole issue of how American corporations and the CIA and US military have destroyed governments and economies throughout Central and South America causing millions to have to migrate to survive. WE have created the migration crisis to the benefit of corporate profiteering.
Want to deal with the real violent threat we face? Don't look at the lawn workers or roofer. Look to Wall Street and the bought off, corrupt Congress, White House and both vile political parties.
We are being inundated in Europe with Americans coming here.
Do we speak the same language?
We do not want more American immigrants in Europe.
Do you condemn Antifa?
Oh now you want to have a decent conversation. I do condemn ICE. I think that you are only half right. Innocent migrants who are toiling away should be left alone. But what about MS 13 and other gangs, why are you guys backing keeping those people, do you have no sense at all? Does MS stand for misunderstood?
The failure of migration should be laid at the United Nations who have allowed corrupt governments to drive their people away. The UN is an abject failure. Trump is a loser I agree, but it doesn’t excuse thugs from burning down the cities. What kind of country do you want to live in?
WHO the 'fuck' is a leftie in you FASCINATING DUOPOLY in the USA?
You have absolutely NO idea about anything...............your education is propaganda.!
Jenny, don’t let yourself become a useful idiot. You are too nice for that!
Gay trans leftist Mexican Marxist mobs have you under constant surveillance and will strike at a time and in a manner of their own choosing.
Doug it doesn’t sound like you have any knowledge of history or any of the other fanboys of Hamilton. You probably see Nazis lurking everywhere, under your bed. By the way, why does everyone here feel the need to protect poor Hamilton? I addressed my question to him and all of you in his cult felt the need to protect him. Didn’t you feel that he could answer for himself. Actually I quite like a lot of what he writes, but the way all of you fanboys roll is that you jump on anyone with the slightest questioning and label them nazis. You have forgotten how to dialogue and move right into Ad Homonyms. By the way, how many books have you read on WW2, My bet is not many. You should really check yourself when you go to attack people because your motives are clear, anyone who doesn’t fit your narrative is the enemy. Remember there are people much more sophisticated than you who are using you guys as useful idiots. You will be the first to be sacrificed if this all turns bad. Look back to Lenin’s early days.
I hate Nazi’s too. Not much difference between you and them, remember the National Socialists.
We could throw you off instead if you like.
It is really funny how you guys call the people that attacked the capital insurrectionists, but back Antifa when they burn cities down. Violence for your side okay, violence on the other side not so much? You get what you deserve!
Give me your address and I will meet you anytime any place, you keyboard poof!
If I give you my address, surely the place is understood. Only the time would need to be worked out.
But you are clearly British—or British-Englished—as no American, male or female, uses “poof.” So I doubt you’ll be coming to Rhode Island.
Odd profile page. I’m thinking you’re from an RSS troll farm.
Dougie is a poof.
Hey it's one of the losers bound directly for hell! Like in the article!!
Sam, I originally asked a question of Hamilton. In fact there is quite a lot I agree with in his article. I just don’t agree with everything he says in his
echo chamber. And then because I asked a question of him, which is verboten, you guys pull out all the
Nazi names etc etc. So when you dish it out, you should expect it back. I hate Nazis too, but I also had the extreme left because both pathways lead to destruction. I have read extensively about both systems. Most people on this thread just hurl insults so I have to conclude that they are of the hive mind and King Bee is Hamilton. As an outsider I think your country is in deep shit and I am afraid the left, the far left’s days are numbered if they keep pushing. I am not for this happening, but the pendulum has swung and it looks like disaster is coming.
And you are bound for a bullet after a struggle session by one of your leftist buddies. And with any luck they will mail the invoice to your parents as they do in China. This is what is coming in your paradise!
Craig, you don't have to be a coward. You can choose a better life, one where you're not wallowing in flimsy justifications for anti-social behavior and self-isolating propaganda narratives about struggle sessions.
Are you saying that stuggle sessions never happened. Have you read about the Cultural Revolution?
No we do not support violence or vandalism but much more importantly are appalled at using the military against civilians exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Large crowds always beget some level of friction and confrontation only makes it worse. The city of Los Angeles has plenty of law enforcement as does the state. They did NOT request federal intervention which by the way is supposed to come from the governor by law. What ICE has become and is doing is far, far worse than some isolated acts of vandalism. But of course right wing zealots always want to fall back on the law and order excuse for imposing their will. Trump’s actions don’t pass the bullshit test - street demonstrations in LA are a national emergency but the January 6th attack on the Capitol was a peaceful gathering. WTF are we becoming as a nation.
And like I said to Dougie. The Mayor of Portland felt the same way about the police and the national guard until rioters showed up at his residence and then he was crying for help from the cops.
So you are saying by your logic that if you reduced the police force by 400 guys, the rioters would go away? I am all for peaceful demonstration. But when you start burning shit you cross the line. How would you deal with the situation?
Is boot licking a hobby or a fetish for you it’s hard to tell for you people
No not really, but you can lay a lip lock on me if you like?
Violence is never ok. Nor is destroying property.
Nor is exciting violence. Or attacking Congress.
The dictator wannabe and professional con man avoided being held responsible and sadly many are attracted to such liars.
He pardoned his criminal accomplices.
Peaceful protest. Peaceful organized boycotts.
No rational minded person condones either. It is counterintuitive.
I expect that we may see a staged incident that is then overblown and propagandized to further erode our freedoms and the Constitution.
By the current administration.
To blame and scapegoat others. To cause fear and division.
Are you OK with that?
No I am not okay with violence at all. But the best you guys can come up with is you think I am a Nazi. The term has been bandied about so much it has no meaning anymore. And this is a disgrace to all of the people who died in the Holocaust. But you guys are not even educated enough to realize this. You guys are against violence when it suits you and for violence when it does. Hamilton made this plain and he is wrong!
for someone who isn't ok with violence, you sure are wishing it on a lot of people.
No I am not, just for people who resort to the old Nazi moniker who have no idea what a real Nazi is. And by the way Paul my original question was to Hamilton. It seems he cannot speak for himself on his own thread he needs his minions like you to defend him, pretty cowardly I say. Are you the oberfuher or the underfuher?
Alexander you would be the first pos to call the cops if the crowd turned on you. Good luck with upcoming struggle session dickhead.
“Won’t someone please think of the poor cop cars?” Craig you’re a fucking loser and a waste of space
You are another fanboy for Hamilton who can’t answer questions for himself?
waste of human life
You too comrade Alexander you waste of sperm.
Your 'question' demands nothing but scorn. Die slowly and painfully, Nazi scum
not Hamilton but I'd look and see what SEIU is recommending maybe? or look at who's doing work local to you if you're in the US. eg where I live there's a dedicated immigrant rights organization that does both of those things.
Thank you both! Appreciate the help.
I read this three times. So cathartic and so correct. Thanks
The tougher and more puffed up a guy makes himself, the smaller you know he feels inside his empty husk. There's a reason the ICE, FBI and Border Patrol Gestapo goons are masked ... if their neighbors saw video on the evening news of them smacking a young girl down on the sidewalk, it would be a tad embarrassing: "Damn, didn't know my neighbor, Bill, was such a scairdy cat dipshit!"
Imagine what their spouse or kids might think.
The BBC had a powerful story back in 2017 on how a family was impacted by the father being a Nazi war criminal: "HEY, ICE AGENTS: Nazi's Son Speaks Out On His Father's Legacy: 'I despise him.'" ... https://mark192.substack.com/p/hey-ice-agents-nazis-son-speaks-out
In this time of fascistic abuse and betrayal, we all need to consider our legacy. The question for all of us is: Where were you in this time of government abuse and betrayal.
The Gestapo ICE goons in Los Angeles have clearly failed.
The question for every citizen at this time is how will we and our families look back upon our actions in the years to come.
"Go fuck yourself man. Because nobody cool is ever going to fuck you. That, I guarantee." Hot damn, I've been hoping someone would write this article! I picture Shrek arriving at Duloc and seeing Farquaad's ridiculous castle and laughing as he says to Donkey, "Do you think maybe he's compensating for something?"
Count on Hamilton to be out there and speaking the truth.
Proud of you man.
this article is fucking aces. i wholeheartedly approve!
Thank you for this. The most appropriate response to the LA mess that I've seen.
Well, you just clearly described all the people who support the orange jesus! It's sad they'll never get it until it shows up on their door step! Well written and I couldn't agree more with you assessment! FUCK OFF COWARDS!
What about people throwing concrete and rocks off of overpasses Hamilton. Do you condemn them as well?
I support throwing you off an overpass for sure.
You will be the first against the wall when the left does its first purge!
Adjust the bot routine. This was not a response to Hamilton. Oh, and kiss my ass, too.
Absolutely!
Hell yeah!
Agree and disagree to some extent. Self-selection matters. I think the overriding operating assumption needs to be that they like the orders they've been given. They are KKKristofascists who self-selected for the job and this is their every KKKristofascist fantasy coming true. They are welcome to prove that wrong on an individual basis through action, but ask yourselves this:
For all the videos of abusive, violent, fascist behavior we're seeing, where are the videos of even ONE LEO stopping the other LEO from committing the heinous acts? Nowhere to be found.
They've made their choice, likely before they even joined. It's not fear of losing a job or fear of peer scorn or fear of humiliation, etc., that keeps them from acting to stop the fascism. And none of those things will be what triggers them to finally try to.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT.
Oh. fucking. yes. this has SO badly needed to be said, have some GD dignity, find something in yourself to be proud of & stop trying to destroy others to make yourself feel better about your own lack of worth.