You wrote: "But this lack of lived experience is balanced out by something that young people tend to have more of than their elders: moral clarity. "
What a bizarre, ridiculous statement to have made, so patently transparent because of your view on the situation in Israel and Gaza. Just be clear about what you believe and don't cloak it b…
You wrote: "But this lack of lived experience is balanced out by something that young people tend to have more of than their elders: moral clarity. "
What a bizarre, ridiculous statement to have made, so patently transparent because of your view on the situation in Israel and Gaza. Just be clear about what you believe and don't cloak it by saying the mostly young anti-Israeli protesters have moral clarity.
Your article itself lacks moral clarity, because of the disingenuous way you try to promote your views.
"...don't cloak it by saying the mostly young anti-Israeli protesters have moral clarity."
Sounds like you didn't follow the bread crumbs here. I think the premise was that young people have a sense of moral clarity that is, in large part, a function of their inexperience. That's not the same as saying the "moral clarity" of anti Israel protestors is completely "right." And whether or not you agree with them the fact is civilians who have no control over these events are paying with their lives. If those students were actively supporting Hamas that would be another story. That's not what I think they were protesting. Perhaps they're ignorant of what led to the creation of Israel but more likely they're ignorant of where that left Arab inhabitants of what became Israel. As sympathetic and generally supportive as I am of Israel they aren't and haven't been angels and we shouldn't assume their moral certainty constitutes moral superiority. I say this as one who was caught in a Hezbollah rocket attack while I was in northern Israel. My sister was the victim of an attempted rape - by an Israeli tank crew member.
The author is no more the arbiter of moral certainty than you are. Maybe read the whole thing next time.
I did the read the entire post. My point was about what constitutes valid argumentation and what does not.
For example, making the assumption that I did not read the entire post is a poor argument.
I make no claim of moral certainty.
I do claim a talent for clarity of thought and expression. Usually, when that clarity eludes people, I remain silent, but I've made an exception in this case, because it is an important issue and I've read too many posts that are misleading. sometimes on purpose, sometimes because the writer loses their way.
The youths chanting in support of massacres and for gassing the Jews have no moral clarity. There is no moral gray area there at all. The author is a pro Palestinian who is having an unpleasant time dealing with the reality that his cause and those who support it are ghouls in love with genocidal monsters. He’s simply trying his best to deflect the heat they’re deservedly getting.
It sounds like you’re accusing the author of dogwhistling, which is always a dishonest dodge and intellectual dirty pool; it basically amounts to a claim that you’re mind-reading.
The claim is not implausible, but it only stands if you’ve managed to rule out more likely alternatives. Why should it be implausible that an observation of the fervour of youth can exist independently of ideological prejudices? Maybe YOU can’t separate the two, but that’s still not evidence of an inexorable link. All it does is betray that you’re coming in with a chip on your shoulder, and whether it’s warranted or not, it’s still a sign of a mind possessed by prejudice.
I don't think he was saying "All Young People"...Just that the ones who ARE engaged have this clarity (to my disappointment, I was NOT one of those engaged people when I was young)...But folks like David Hogg and Greta Thunberg...And their peers who are vocal and engaged...That's the moral clarity I think Hamilton was talking about
You wrote: "But this lack of lived experience is balanced out by something that young people tend to have more of than their elders: moral clarity. "
What a bizarre, ridiculous statement to have made, so patently transparent because of your view on the situation in Israel and Gaza. Just be clear about what you believe and don't cloak it by saying the mostly young anti-Israeli protesters have moral clarity.
Your article itself lacks moral clarity, because of the disingenuous way you try to promote your views.
robertsdavidn.substack.com/about
"...don't cloak it by saying the mostly young anti-Israeli protesters have moral clarity."
Sounds like you didn't follow the bread crumbs here. I think the premise was that young people have a sense of moral clarity that is, in large part, a function of their inexperience. That's not the same as saying the "moral clarity" of anti Israel protestors is completely "right." And whether or not you agree with them the fact is civilians who have no control over these events are paying with their lives. If those students were actively supporting Hamas that would be another story. That's not what I think they were protesting. Perhaps they're ignorant of what led to the creation of Israel but more likely they're ignorant of where that left Arab inhabitants of what became Israel. As sympathetic and generally supportive as I am of Israel they aren't and haven't been angels and we shouldn't assume their moral certainty constitutes moral superiority. I say this as one who was caught in a Hezbollah rocket attack while I was in northern Israel. My sister was the victim of an attempted rape - by an Israeli tank crew member.
The author is no more the arbiter of moral certainty than you are. Maybe read the whole thing next time.
I did the read the entire post. My point was about what constitutes valid argumentation and what does not.
For example, making the assumption that I did not read the entire post is a poor argument.
I make no claim of moral certainty.
I do claim a talent for clarity of thought and expression. Usually, when that clarity eludes people, I remain silent, but I've made an exception in this case, because it is an important issue and I've read too many posts that are misleading. sometimes on purpose, sometimes because the writer loses their way.
"I do claim a talent for clarity of thought and expression.."
You say that with a certainty that wasn't clear from your comment, which appeared to seize on a point not completely in context of the entire article.
The youths chanting in support of massacres and for gassing the Jews have no moral clarity. There is no moral gray area there at all. The author is a pro Palestinian who is having an unpleasant time dealing with the reality that his cause and those who support it are ghouls in love with genocidal monsters. He’s simply trying his best to deflect the heat they’re deservedly getting.
It sounds like you’re accusing the author of dogwhistling, which is always a dishonest dodge and intellectual dirty pool; it basically amounts to a claim that you’re mind-reading.
The claim is not implausible, but it only stands if you’ve managed to rule out more likely alternatives. Why should it be implausible that an observation of the fervour of youth can exist independently of ideological prejudices? Maybe YOU can’t separate the two, but that’s still not evidence of an inexorable link. All it does is betray that you’re coming in with a chip on your shoulder, and whether it’s warranted or not, it’s still a sign of a mind possessed by prejudice.
https://open.substack.com/pub/evebarlow/p/it-took-just-seven-days
I don't think he was saying "All Young People"...Just that the ones who ARE engaged have this clarity (to my disappointment, I was NOT one of those engaged people when I was young)...But folks like David Hogg and Greta Thunberg...And their peers who are vocal and engaged...That's the moral clarity I think Hamilton was talking about