The crazy thing is, the fast-track of the vaccine to the public was one of the great accomplishments of the Trump Presidency! He's talking shit about one of the very few good things he actually did! God what a dumbass.
The institutions and organizations that rolled out the vaccine were already WELL in place LONG before Trump came into ascendency...The best that can be said is that he MOSTLY didn't get in their way, unless you include the lies he told about Covid Death numbers or fluctuating between it being a hoax, and then 'not all that bad'...Refusing to were a mask in public...Not EXPLICITELY telling his MAGA hoards to get vaccinated...If he had shown a strong advocacy for safety and preventative measure, his cult would have followed suit...
I tend to feel some sympathy for some family members of political figures. Some take advantage (I'm old enough to remember Billy Carter, who seems like an innocuous example by today's standards) and some just get thrown under a cruel microscope (I'm old enough to remember Amy Carter, whose adolescence had to have stunk).
In Hines' case, she had to know what she was getting into, so I don't have a lot of pity, but, for her sake, perhaps she can draw on her experience playing TV Larry's exasperated wife.
When RFK, Jr., inevitably ends his campaign, I'd just like to hear that Curb theme music, and I'd like no more Kennedys to run for office.
"There is little doubt that Donald Trump’s vocal denigration of vaccines helped kill hundreds of thousands of his biggest fans."
I don't think that quite diagnoses it. Trump says whatever he thinks will get the crowd on his side at different times, but he has mostly been supportive of the COVID vaccine because it his HIS achievement (or so he sees it.) Even after DeSantis started trying to rewrite history and go anti-vax, Trump was telling rallies that the vaccine is good.
It was his constant stream of "COVID is a hoax by Democrats to get me out of office" and other conspiracy theorizing that killed a lot of his followers. It doesn't make sense that "COVID is a hoax but the vaccine is important", but that's Trump for you.
Hamilton, I'm curious. How many hours all total have you put into the actual study of vaccines? How many hours have you put into the MMR vaccine? How many hours have you put into the DTaP vaccine? How many hours have you put in to the hepatitis B vaccine? How many hours have you put into studying the covid-19 vaccine? Have you read the books Turtles All the Way Down or Dissolving Illusions? Reading an article in the New York Times about vaccines doesn't count by the way. I'd love to know your answer to each one of these. questions.
I find it gross how Democrats and others have behaved about vaccines. I don't see rebuttals of vaccine skeptics, I see character smears, guilt by association, and all the other logical fallacies I encounter when opposing war.
I've been 100% pro vaccine until the Hotez non-event. For those unfamiliar, Hotez is a pro-vaxx establishment darling. Joe Rogan (whose podcast I've never listened to, so don't assume) offered to donate $100,000 to the charity of Hotez's choosing, if Hotez would come on Rogan's show to debate RFK.
I suppose I need to do another disclaimer, I don't support RFK. I'm a Cornel West supporter.
So Rogan offers a huge charitable donation in Hotez's name if he would go on Rogan's show to debate RFK, and Hotez not only says no, but all these liberals are saying that that is a justified position. The liberals make fun, demean, bully anybody who doesn't agree with them.
It's not justified to me. It makes no sense. If one is an "expert", one has an encyclopedia of knowledge to defend one's views. To promulgate one's views.
So it is the ABSENCE of willingness to engage in debate that I find incredibly suspect. This refusal to engage by Hotez has now made me a bit skeptical of vaccines. And the more pro-vaccine people resort to nastiness and egotistical justifications, the more interested I am in listening to anti-vaxxers.
It makes no sense for scientists and experts to "debate" cranks and science-deniers, especially on comedians' talk shows/podcasts. Why would ANY real expert lower themself to debate a person who has NO education or training, who's just spouting what amount to personal opinions? It would make the average person think that there's a equivalence between scientific experts and wackos -- and there's not. All the "debate" will do is further get the wackos' word out, and you really don't want to give them more publicity. You don't wrestle with pigs, because you inevitably get pulled down into the mud with them -- and the pig enjoys it. Trust SCIENCE, and stop giving any kind of equivalence to crackpots.
"The story does note, though, that Kennedy said he would not run for President without her permission, which she gave."
In terms of her moral responsibility you could lead with that quote right there...If we are to take Kennedy at his word, Hines had within her, the power to stop his run, so it really DOES kinda squarely put this on her...He gave her the deciding vote...And he is currently running for POTUS
Of course, it isn't just RFKJr's followers who buy his anti-vax swill will who will die, because they aid the return of diseases like measles, which will kill people who know nothing of RFKJr, too.
The crazy thing is, the fast-track of the vaccine to the public was one of the great accomplishments of the Trump Presidency! He's talking shit about one of the very few good things he actually did! God what a dumbass.
that's just silly...
The institutions and organizations that rolled out the vaccine were already WELL in place LONG before Trump came into ascendency...The best that can be said is that he MOSTLY didn't get in their way, unless you include the lies he told about Covid Death numbers or fluctuating between it being a hoax, and then 'not all that bad'...Refusing to were a mask in public...Not EXPLICITELY telling his MAGA hoards to get vaccinated...If he had shown a strong advocacy for safety and preventative measure, his cult would have followed suit...
I tend to feel some sympathy for some family members of political figures. Some take advantage (I'm old enough to remember Billy Carter, who seems like an innocuous example by today's standards) and some just get thrown under a cruel microscope (I'm old enough to remember Amy Carter, whose adolescence had to have stunk).
In Hines' case, she had to know what she was getting into, so I don't have a lot of pity, but, for her sake, perhaps she can draw on her experience playing TV Larry's exasperated wife.
When RFK, Jr., inevitably ends his campaign, I'd just like to hear that Curb theme music, and I'd like no more Kennedys to run for office.
"The story does note, though, that Kennedy said he would not run for President without her permission, which she gave."
that right there is the clincher....sigh
I must be the lone wierdo who likes reading about labor and boxing, sometimes at the same time
"There is little doubt that Donald Trump’s vocal denigration of vaccines helped kill hundreds of thousands of his biggest fans."
I don't think that quite diagnoses it. Trump says whatever he thinks will get the crowd on his side at different times, but he has mostly been supportive of the COVID vaccine because it his HIS achievement (or so he sees it.) Even after DeSantis started trying to rewrite history and go anti-vax, Trump was telling rallies that the vaccine is good.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSfeCqKty9o
More recent example: https://news.stanford.edu/2022/04/04/using-trumps-vaccine-endorsement-move-needle-covid-19-vaccines/
It was his constant stream of "COVID is a hoax by Democrats to get me out of office" and other conspiracy theorizing that killed a lot of his followers. It doesn't make sense that "COVID is a hoax but the vaccine is important", but that's Trump for you.
Hamilton, I'm curious. How many hours all total have you put into the actual study of vaccines? How many hours have you put into the MMR vaccine? How many hours have you put into the DTaP vaccine? How many hours have you put in to the hepatitis B vaccine? How many hours have you put into studying the covid-19 vaccine? Have you read the books Turtles All the Way Down or Dissolving Illusions? Reading an article in the New York Times about vaccines doesn't count by the way. I'd love to know your answer to each one of these. questions.
You should read more books with facts next time you decide to write something
"Waaaaah why won't you help kill thousands of people so I don't have to feel regret for my actions waaaaaaahhhh"
I find it gross how Democrats and others have behaved about vaccines. I don't see rebuttals of vaccine skeptics, I see character smears, guilt by association, and all the other logical fallacies I encounter when opposing war.
I've been 100% pro vaccine until the Hotez non-event. For those unfamiliar, Hotez is a pro-vaxx establishment darling. Joe Rogan (whose podcast I've never listened to, so don't assume) offered to donate $100,000 to the charity of Hotez's choosing, if Hotez would come on Rogan's show to debate RFK.
I suppose I need to do another disclaimer, I don't support RFK. I'm a Cornel West supporter.
So Rogan offers a huge charitable donation in Hotez's name if he would go on Rogan's show to debate RFK, and Hotez not only says no, but all these liberals are saying that that is a justified position. The liberals make fun, demean, bully anybody who doesn't agree with them.
It's not justified to me. It makes no sense. If one is an "expert", one has an encyclopedia of knowledge to defend one's views. To promulgate one's views.
So it is the ABSENCE of willingness to engage in debate that I find incredibly suspect. This refusal to engage by Hotez has now made me a bit skeptical of vaccines. And the more pro-vaccine people resort to nastiness and egotistical justifications, the more interested I am in listening to anti-vaxxers.
It makes no sense for scientists and experts to "debate" cranks and science-deniers, especially on comedians' talk shows/podcasts. Why would ANY real expert lower themself to debate a person who has NO education or training, who's just spouting what amount to personal opinions? It would make the average person think that there's a equivalence between scientific experts and wackos -- and there's not. All the "debate" will do is further get the wackos' word out, and you really don't want to give them more publicity. You don't wrestle with pigs, because you inevitably get pulled down into the mud with them -- and the pig enjoys it. Trust SCIENCE, and stop giving any kind of equivalence to crackpots.
"The story does note, though, that Kennedy said he would not run for President without her permission, which she gave."
In terms of her moral responsibility you could lead with that quote right there...If we are to take Kennedy at his word, Hines had within her, the power to stop his run, so it really DOES kinda squarely put this on her...He gave her the deciding vote...And he is currently running for POTUS
sigh
These people, I just can't even
Of course, it isn't just RFKJr's followers who buy his anti-vax swill will who will die, because they aid the return of diseases like measles, which will kill people who know nothing of RFKJr, too.
Can she share the off ramp WaPo wants to build for Tucker Carlson or does she need her own